SINTON Surname DNA Blog

21st: Jedburgh lineage

2011-02-21T20:28:00.002+13:00

I'd not been in a hurry to publish the latest set of results as FT DNA matches was saying, "no match".
Given the paper trail showed a match to Lineage 1a, the Jedburgh SINTONs of William & Isabella (SCOTT) this was a disappointment.
However, the next panel arrived, so I set to updating the database and web pages, creating a new "lineage" in the R1b1b2 haplogroup - and then realised that he was an exact match to just the line he was supposed to be.
FT DNA have been asked why the "no match" results, and LRF (S-6) has been included in Lineage 1a, as he should be.
Summary results, and supplementary pages updated to include him in his rightful place on the SINTON tree.

31st: FORDs?

2010-12-31T14:22:00.007+13:00

Possibly we're all FORDs!
A new member popped out of the woodwork today.
At this stage nothing is known about his ancestry, other than his great grandfather Philip H FORD was from Arkansas born Scotland, and that he is GD3 to Peter (S-1) at 67 markers, which distance is made up from two mutations on one marker (CDYb), and the other as he is on modal for Lineage 1 at marker 449.
99% chance of a shared ancestor within 16 generations!

Both the summary result and the supplementary pages result grids have been updated, the former belatedly also including Theo (S-7)'s results as a catchup.

Still a few hours left for the discount promotion if you are a direct male line SINTON interested in seeing if you match anyone (see previous post)

11th: A pattern emerges

2010-12-12T00:47:00.005+13:00

With the full Y-DNA37 results now in for our latest recruit - Theo (S-7) we can see that the Irish contingent can be distinguished from their matching Southdean lineages by 576=20 and CDYb=39, as opposed to the modal values of 19 and 40 respectively.

As shown on Theo's page, our paper trails do appear to be beating the odds when compared against the theoretical Time to Most Recent Common Ancestor (TMRCA) percentages given by Family Tree DNA's scientific results without the paper trails.

The relevant supplementary pages have been updated (and a "like on facebook" button added to the footers - be the first!).

If you are direct male line SINTON and are thinking of joining in this voyage of discovery, now would be a good time.
Family Tree DNA have announced discounts until the end of December.
FYI the sale prices are:

Price for NEW KITS: Regular Price (Promotional Price)
YDNA37 $149 ($119)
YDNA67 $239 ($199)
mtDNAPlus $159 ($129)
Family Finder $289 ($249)
Price for UPGRADE:
Family Finder $289 ($229)

Orders must be in and paid for by Dec. 31, 2010, to receive this offer.

Any questions, just ask.
Otherwise simply follow the order test link to make sure any order is included in the project at the discount prices.

21st: Good match at 67 markers

2009-07-22T09:07:00.002+12:00

Results are in for our second test at 67 markers, with nary a discrepancy at all between markers 38 and 67 (unlike another project where many of the interesting variations between a lineage occur in those marker panels).

Supplementary pages have been updated to reflect the newest results, which show there is indeed an excellent match between Stephen (S-3) and Peter (S-1)

14th: Upgrade promotion

2009-05-14T12:54:00.005+12:00

FamilyTree DNA are having an upgrade promotion for a week, so we will be taking advantage of this to upgrade S-1 to 67 markers.
Should any other participants be eligible and wish to avail themselves of the offer, follow the link in the email you will be sent by Family Tree DNA (I don't yet know how much of a discount, but the promo I received said an average of 25%, and the normal 37 to 67 upgrade is $99 US).
Note the instructions in the flier:
To order this special offer log into your personal page and click on the special offers link on the left hand navigation bar.

Looking forward to seeing what the additional markers tell us about how close the matched trees are.
Have you checked out the new DNA Projects Portal Supplementary pages?

3rd: New results posted - to 67 markers

2009-03-03T06:48:00.002+13:00

The first of our results out to 67 markers have been received, and posted on the results page.

When there's enough money in the kitty, either S-1 or S-2 will also be upgraded to 67 markers to see what that may add to how closely related the respective families are.

Should any SINTON researchers out there wish to help fund this, contributions are very welcome.
The contributions link on most SINTON related supplementary pages at the DNA Projects Portal, and at the Family Tree DNA SINTON home page take you to a secure link whereby money can be donated via a secure link. Such money is held in our Project coffers until it is assigned to a kit.

25th: Results updated with confirmed haplotype

2009-01-25T23:17:00.004+13:00

Checked the Administrators page and found that we have a confirmed haplotype for one of our group.
Results page has been updated to reflect this, along with the Portal Haplogroup Tree.

17th: TMRCA etc

2009-01-17T09:05:00.003+13:00

The discussion pages have been updated, with the main change being the inclusion of 3 tables showing at various probability levels, the Time to Most Recent Common Ancestor (TMRCA) for what is turning out to be our one and only lineage - lineage 1.
The 75% table has the best match of theory with known paper trail (that of the connecting S-1 and S-2 Southdean SINTONs), but that doesn't mean it is necessarily as accurate for how the others connect.

Results table also updated to show a modal signature for lineage 1.

Also updated the Patriarchs page to include links where further information exists on the DNA Projects Portal, which latter pages have been updated to reflect the latest Irish results.

16th: There was an Irishman and a Scotsman....

2009-01-16T16:12:00.003+13:00

Results in for the Irish contingent - and there's a match with the Southdean lineages!
Haven't had time to post or analyse, so you'll need to check the FamilyTree DNA Y DNA results tab to see them for the moment.

19th: Wanted! updates

2008-12-20T00:13:00.002+13:00

Incorporated three more charts and related person data into the Wanted! page:
- Andrew and John, sons of William and Isabella (Scott) SINTON
- John SINTON (married Margaret KAY, and believed to be a son of James & Janet (Oliver) SINTON of Southdean.
Representatives from either of the lines of Andrew and John would be great to help define William's dna fingerprint
And a representative from John's line should confirm his place on the Southdean tree

12th: More results in for Southdean lineage 1

2008-12-12T16:57:00.002+13:00

The upgrade results to 37 markers for Stephen (S-3) are in, and have been included in the Results table.

The colour coding on the Results table has been changed to reflect that the "usual" result for marker 449 now looks as if it is 30, rather than the 31 that I had previously assumed when we had fewer tests to compare.

11th: WFN Updates - Lineage 1a

2008-12-11T11:31:00.003+13:00

Made a few updates to the SINTON DNA Project pages, including:
- correcting the pedigree shown for patriarch William (I'd missed out son John, which connected on line up to the wrong son of William and Isabella).
- assigning William and Isabella to Lineage 1a

Also added William to the Wanted! list to reinforce that although we do indeed have a representative of William and Isabella (SCOTT) SINTON's line, it would be good to see where the discrepancies with the Southdean line crept in, before or after William.

10th: Another match! Jedburgh to Southdean

2008-12-11T01:25:00.005+13:00

Preliminary results are just in (hot off the press) for the 4th kit, that of a descendant of the Jedburgh SINTONs, William and Isabella (SCOTT) SINTON, who married Hawick c 1804.

12/12 marker match with the Lineage 1 Southdean Sintons.
The 26-37 marker results are also available, and show a couple of markers different to the Southdean lineage 1; The 13-25 marker panel still to come.

Results page and the Roy's pages on the DNA Projects Portal updated but as yet, nothing else.

It would still be good to get a distant cousin of Roy's into the project to see whether the markers showing different to the Southdean ones are a pattern for the Jedburgh Sintons or not. Any takers? Remember that there are discounts until the end of December if you join via the project.

4th: Irish update

2008-12-04T11:08:00.003+13:00

The Irish kit has been returned is awaiting batching, first set of results unlikely to be out until late Jan at earliest.

Bookmark this SINTON DNA page for the links to the SINTON DNA Project related pages
And book mark (or subscribe to) this blog so you can check it out every so often for status updates, and reports of changes.

30th: Wanted! / test discounts

2008-11-30T16:29:00.004+13:00

Well I didn't check all the links in the Sinton Lineages section that well.
Several more fixed.
And fingers crossed, we seem to be no longer blocked as a potential spam blog.

Wanted! page has been updated to include the lineage of the Cairncross Sintons, another Southdean and Jedburgh family.

Any of you out there reading this?

You, and any other Sinton males who might be considering joining the project to help identify the assorted lineages may be interested to know that until the end of December FamilyTreeDNA are offering Christmas specials on new tests ordered, so if anyone is interested in joining in, now is a very good time to do so.
The discounts only apply if you order via the surname project, so make sure you use the join project link (don't worry, you get to read some things first by clicking on that link and aren't automatically committing yourself), on the Sinton project pages
For useful comparisons with other lineages, the minimum test recommended is 37 markers, but 67 would be preferred.
Should you be considering this, and are the first to represent a line, or belong to line where a confirming test is required, there may be a subsidy available. Contact the Project Administrator first if you think this may apply.

Likewise, if you have any questions not answered by the FAQs available on the Sinton project pages or at FamilyTree DNA, please don't hesitate to contact the Project Administrator, as we'd love for you to be reassured that this is a completely harmless process, and you wont have police knocking on your door because of your dna, nor any medical conditions exposed. Those are completely different, much more elaborate tests.

Come and join the fun, the more lines represented the better.

27th: Check out the updates

2008-11-27T19:03:00.005+13:00

I think I've reviewed, updated, all the SINTON data on the dna portal site, so from now on, please report any broken SINTON related links, or better still, find volunteers for the Wanted! lines to participate.
If anyone has any favourite SINTON website links to be added to the SINTON DNA Overview, just let me know.

26th: Requested (yet another) unblock review

2008-11-26T21:51:00.000+13:00

Darn spam reviews.
Although I'd requested a second tier personal review of this blog (and a couple of others), that seems not to make any difference, they no sooner get unblocked than they're blocked again.
Another first level request has been made.

18th: Result table updated - ready for new results

2008-11-18T19:26:00.000+13:00

No, the next lot of test results aren't yet in, but I've updated the results table to show the existing Lineage 1, and the pending results (Jedburgh & Irish lines).
Confirming tests, from different lines on these new lines would be great, any contenders out there?

Would still love to hear that representatives on some of the other "wanted" lines have joined the project.

Nov 15, 2008: Patriarchs updated

2008-11-16T02:02:00.000+13:00

Check out the Patriarchs page for revised descendancy charts that reflect my recent excavations of the Southdean records, old correspondence etc, prompted by the 12/12 match between Stephen (S-3) and both Peter and Lester.

Also included the Irish pedigree of the newest recruit to the project, Bob.

Wish google would hurry up and review the status of this blog and remove the Spam warning!
I requested the review several days ago now, and we're about 5 days over their promised 2-3 days to review.

Nov 12, 2008: New lineages added

2008-11-13T02:08:00.000+13:00

DNA Projects Portal site updated to include lineages for both of the last two participants (Roy's Jedburgh line and Bob's Irish line).

Also combined the Southdean lineages, and added a brief note about why I've joined the John who married Alison HALL up to James SINTON and Barbara OLIVER of Clesleepeel, and connected Peter (married Janet DONALDSON) up to this latter James' father's assumed first marriage.

Nov 11, 2008: The Irish are coming

2008-11-11T02:00:00.000+13:00

5th kit ordered, representing the Irish contingent.
See Bob's web pages.

Oct 31, 2008: Upgrade test ordered

2008-10-31T13:45:00.000+13:00

3rd kit (the match to the Southdean family) in process of being upgraded to 37 markers.

Oct 21 2008: 3rd kit results back - with 12/12 match

2008-10-21T13:41:00.001+13:00

12 marker results in for the descendant of John SINTON and Alison HALL (marr. Southdean 1829). And a 12/12 match with descendants of the Southdean family of Peter and Janet (DONALDSON) SINTON.
If only we knew how they connect.

Sep 22, 2008: 3rd kit ordered - Jedburgh connection

2008-09-22T13:36:00.000+12:00

Descendant of William SINTON and Isabella SCOTT (of Jedburgh) has joined the project (pedigree on patriarchs page) .

Jul 16, 2008: 3rd kit ordered - Southdean connection

2008-07-16T13:29:00.000+12:00

Another SINTON has joined the project - a descendant of John SINTON of Southdean (married Alison HALL).
Pedigree added to the patriarchs page

May 29, 2008: Duns SINTON line pedigree added

2008-05-29T13:24:00.000+12:00

Patriarchs page updated to include a line of SINTONS from Duns:
John SYNTON/Janet SCOTT > Ashkirk
William SINTON/Isabel DUNLOP > Edinburgh
John SINTON/Ann THOMSON > Partick
James SINTON/Augusta McNAUGHTON > Kent
Thomas SINTON/Lily WIGHT
and assorted other places.
Representatives of this line would be most welcome to expand our knowledge of the SINTON DNA.

May 13, 2008: Haplogroups updated

2008-05-13T13:18:00.000+12:00

Results page Haplogroups updated to reflect recent updates to the Y-Chromosome Phylogenetic Tree. Check out Family Tree DNA's Haplogroup Nomenclature FAQ for more information.

Apr 27, 2008: New pedigree added

2008-04-27T13:15:00.000+12:00

Added pedigree for the family of William (married Isabella SCOTT) in the hope it may attract a descendant to participate.
William and Isabella were mainly Jedburgh based, with a large number of descendants in New Zealand.

24th: 37 marker results in for 2nd kit

2008-01-24T16:10:00.001+13:00

Second kit 25 and 37 marker results posted. 24/25 and 36/37 marker matches between the Southdean SINTON descendants of the two brothers.
In the wider FT DNA database there is a 35/37 match with an ALEXANDER surname which may or may not be of some later interest.

Jan 11, 2008: 2nd kit preliminary results in - with expected match

2008-01-11T13:10:00.000+13:00

Second kit 12/37 marker results available.
Thankfully shows the expected match with the first kit, their respective ancestors being Peter and James, sons of Peter and Janet (DONALDSON) SINTON of Southdean.
Still no surname matches outside the project.

Jan 04, 2008: 1st kit - full results, no matches

2008-01-04T13:06:00.000+13:00

First kit's full 37/37 marker results available - descendant of Peter SINTON and Jane WIGHT.
Still no SINTON surname matches in ftDNA database.

Dec 31, 2007: 3rd kit ordered

2007-12-31T13:04:00.001+13:00

Third kit ordered/sent (to a descendant of William SINTON & Isobel BLACK).
A son John was born to them at Southdean in 1780.
(Subsequently withdrew from project - still looking for another representative for this line)

Dec 22, 2007: 1st kit preliminary results

2007-12-22T13:02:00.000+13:00

First set of results (12/37 marker) received (no SINTON surname matches in ftDNA database)

Dec 06, 2007: 2nd kit en route to lab

2007-12-06T13:02:00.000+13:00

Second kit on its way back to lab

Nov 28, 2007: 1st kit back at lab

2007-11-28T12:59:00.000+13:00

First kit back to lab, full results expected end Jan 2008

Nov 20, 2007: 2nd kit ordered

2007-11-21T12:49:00.000+13:00

Second kit sent out - to a descendant of James SINTON and Margaret WILKIE, James being a son of Peter SINTON and Janet DONALDSON.
These first two kits will hopefully provide a good benchmark for the Southdean lineage of Peter SINTON and Janet DONALDSON.

Nov 6, 2007: 1st kit ordered

2007-11-07T12:46:00.001+13:00

First kit sent out - to a descendant of Peter SINTON and Jane WIGHT, Peter being son of Peter SINTON and Janet DONALDSON

27th: WorldFamilies Network pages created

2007-10-27T16:01:00.002+13:00

Set up the World Family Network pages which gives access to Surname (SINTON) and general DNA research forums, and another set of (free) web page space where pedigrees will be lodged, and results expanded on.

2nd: SINTON DNA Project initiated

2007-10-02T11:44:00.001+13:00

The SINTON Family DNA Project initiated by Lorna Henderson, a descendant of Peter SINTON and Janet DONALDSON from the Scottish Borders.
Objective is to determine whether or not the assorted SINTON lines are connected, particularly those around Southdean in Roxburghshire, but any other SINTONs, or those suspecting SINTON links, are welcome to join in the fun.

Welcome

2007-10-01T13:53:00.000+13:00

Welcome to the new blog for the SINTON Surname DNA Project

If you are a participant in the dna project or an active SINTON researcher, I'd be happy to add you as an "author" to this blog so that you can create your own posts, instead of just commenting on existing ones, as everyone else should be able to do.